IF ONLY THE MAYOR WOULD VISIT THE CARRIAGE STABLES ...

IF ONLY THE MAYOR WOULD VISIT THE STABLES

He would find religion and dub the horse carriage trade in NYC hands off and good to go.

So says the carriage trade.  In trying to keep the status quo, they have lied and lied with the Daily News supporting and elaborating on their fantasies.  

West Side Livery stable - has one means of egress

We have previously addressed the reasons why the Daily News has gone after the Mayor on this issue – and it is not their love of horses, the drivers or the industry. Click here. 

In March 2014,  the NYC carriage trade organized an event at their stables, which included actor Liam Neeson.  A few Council Members attended.  None of them knew what to look for and just went because they supported the industry anyway.  It is quite embarrassing to listen to a particular Council Member  or member of the media say – “the horses look fine – they do not look abused”  when that person doesn't have a clue what to look for in the stable or with the horse.  

Liam Neeson in his “refined”  way said this about the Mayor:  “He should have manned up and come.[to the stable]   I’m disappointed he's not here."

Excuse me – “manned up?”  What a disrespectful thing to say to our mayor.  And it is  clear that Neeson was about ready to take to the streets and arm wrestle Mayor deBlasio  to show he is a macho man.  He wanted to bully him into going to the stables but it did not work.    

Yes - if only the mayor would visit the stables because this is what he could find  – and it’s not pretty!:

STALLS – legally the stalls are required to be 60 square feet –and are actually referred to as "standing stalls."   This is small but considering the number of horses the NYC trade has,  it is all the space available at the four stables.   

Experts recommend stalls for standardbreds to be 144 square feet – 12’ x 12; - and the larger draft breeds should  get even more – 196 square feet – 14’ x 14.’

Although the intake information for NYC carriage horses does not include their breed, from observation, between 60 to 75% of the horses are draft breeds – these are the sweet big boys who need lots of space and are not getting it. 

In no way are the NYC stalls big enough.  But the owners get around this duplicity by bait and switch logic, referring to them as “box stalls,: which sounds better than “standing stalls.”   But this refers to a configuration, not a size.

West Side Livery at Clip Clop event - note small dirty stall with inadequate bedding

 

Bottom line is that the existing stalls are less than half the size of what experts recommend.  

These are articles on this topic by respected sources:  

 The Horse   

Penn State College of Agricultural Sciences  

Horse stall size and number   

 

Clinton Park Stables - notice how small the "legal box stall" is

 

horse on steep ramp - typical for all stables

STALL LOCATION – the stables are old multi-storied buildings with stalls mostly on upper floors.   If there were a fire on these floors, it would be unlikely that the horses would get out since the only access  or egress is a steep ramp.

Imagine this – a staircase connecting two floors; remove the staircase and install a ramp in its exact place -- it is very steep.  It takes its toll on the horses – especially the older ones with arthritis. 

TURNOUT – there is no pasture available in NYC, consequently  there is no turnout for the horses.  A horse may legally work for nine hours a day.  When he returns to the stable, he is not turned out but instead is put in his stall until he is taken out the next day.  Humane?  I think not.  The  owners cannot provide that for their horses on a daily basis even for a few hours.

Some articles on the value of turnout for horses:    

Kentucky Equine Research 

About Turnout

turnout - NYC style

 5-WEEK FURLOUGH:  The drivers thought they would pull a fast one on everyone by having this added to the 2010 law.  This is how it reads from the RENTAL HORSE LICENSING AND PROTECTION LAW:

2.  Carriage horses shall receive no less than five weeks of vacation or furlough every twelve months at a horse stable facility which allows daily access to paddock or pasture turnout. Proof of such vacation or furlough shall be provided upon request to the department and/or the ASPCA.

Sounds good right?  But this is what it is missing:

Horses need daily turnout – this is a given and the NYC horses simply do not get it

-       The Department of Health did not require that a list of such farms be provided to them for approval.  Proof of such furlough is simply a signature.

-       The Department of Health also did not require that the furlough farms be inspected.   It is not known where the horses go for furlough or the  kind of conditions they endure.

-       Some of the owners have farms but we believe that many of the ones who don’t, which is most,  send their horses to the Amish farms with whom they have relationships.  No Amish farmer is going to allow a draft horse to hang around eating bon bons while his land needs to be plowed.  The Amish have a work ethic for animals that has made them notorious for animal cruelty and abuse.  

-       We have heard rumors that many of these horses are sent to the Amish farms to work in exchange for being able to say that the horse went away for 5 weeks.  

-       in October 2011, the NY Post published this quote by former ASPCA equine veterinarian  - Pamela Corey:   
 

       Dr. Corey, the director of equine veterinary services of the ASPCA’s humane law-enforcement department, said, “We have observed some horses returning to New York City after furloughs on a farm in worse condition than when they left.”

      This was never investigated. All of those who could have done something about this turned the other way. 

This industry must come to an end.  It is a blight on NYC’s honor.  It celebrates greed. Unfortunately the Mayor has allowed the Daily News, backed by the Teamsters and Working Families Party,  to control the dialogue.  Most of the media have followed the Daily News and the truth has not gotten out. 

Well this is the truth about the stables, stalls and furloughs.  

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LIAM, LIES AND MORE LIES

LIAM, LIES AND MORE LIES

How Liam Neeson is playing  his most questionable role yet.

Liam Neeson – while he won’t be getting an academy award for this performance, he might be acknowledged for total fabrication, spin and fantasy. 

I finally got around to viewing the recent documentary about NYC’s carriage horses.  It is narrated by smooth talking Liam Neeson with his charming Irish brogue.  Yes the man is easy to listen to and believe. 

For those who do not know, Neeson is a big supporter of the carriage trade and is quite  willing to lie through this teeth to make his point. 

The unfortunate thing here is that many people will believe these lies simply because they come from  Liam Neeson – a well known actor.  They will accept what he says as gospel, never

considering that it is a combination of lies and hyperbole.  How could anyone doubt this man – after all didn’t he play Oscar Schindler in Schindler’s List – a hero who helped rescue Jews during World War 11?  Doesn’t he now play action hero roles?  As for me and those of us who see his true colors – he is more like his character Ra's al Ghul from the Batman series – a bad guy leading a League of Assassins. 

The video is more of the same – touting the so called 150 year “iconic” industry; since the time of Abraham Lincoln – conveniently forgetting that the current business started in the late 1940s – and that the horse was the only means of transportation before the 20^th century.  He talks about how,  if Mayor deBlasio would just accept his invitation and visit the stables, he would be won over to the dark side and see that all was indeed OK with this inhumane and unsafe trade. 

 As if it were just about the stables; as if the stables – with small stalls located on upper floors

West Side Livery -- "box stall"

accessed by a steep ramp and with no turnout to pasture – as if that were somehow OK for these horses.  We are supposed to believe that the drivers love their horses like their children – I wonder if they would work their children 9 hours a day, 7 days a week in all weather conditions. 

Enough said.  After all – it is LIAM NEESON – so it must be true.

But it is all a bunch of lies if you know how to question and think analytically.

These are a few statements from the film and my rebuttal: 

FILM:  The industry is overseen by 5 agencies and there are 144 pages of regulations.

Manure catcher attached illegally

TRUTH:  This, of course is not true since the ASPCA gave up humane law enforcement in January – so it is actually 4 agencies.  But it is all moot, since the industry is out of control and there is little enforcement of any of those regulations.  The fact that there are 144 pages of regulations is absurd.  Yes there might be -- I have never counted them.  But so what since many of the laws are not enforced – from the manure catchers being attached incorrectly causing abrasions on the horse – to horses being dangerously left untethered and unattended – to the many u-turns they make illegally; to overloading their carriages right in front of the police officers who do not know the regulations and apparently do not care.   

FILM:   The horses can only work in “limited areas of the city.”

TRUTH:  Boo hoo.  Yes – and they are all heavy tourist areas where some of the drivers have been known to overcharge and collect a non required sales tax.  And of course, it is a cash only business, which is why they are fighting tooth and nail.    I say send them to the Bronx; make them report to the Taxi and Limousine Commission and account for every dollar they take in -- and you will see how they feel.  Besides, many drivers sneak down to Times Square before they are legally allowed. 

FILM:   Neeson  brags that the horses get “5 weeks of country vacations”

"turn out"  New York City style. 

TRUTH:  Enough of this ridiculous statement.  Horses need daily turn out to pasture, which they do not get in NYC – not a questionable trip to the “country.”  We have good sources that tell us many of the horses go to  Amish farms and are being worked in exchange for the driver fulfilling this “vacation” obligation.  But because the Department of Health decided  not to ask for a list of the “farms” or do inspections – anything goes.  It has also been  said that many of the horses look worse when they return from this so called vacation.  It is most likely because they were worked and not fed properly.    In a NY Post story  about a horse who dropped dead in October 2011, former ASPCA equine veterinarian Dr. Pam Corey said in the NY Post "We have observed some horses returning to New York City after furloughs on a farm in worse condition than when they left."  it is shameful that this was ignored by authorities. 

FILM:  Neeson says the NYC carriage horses have a guaranteed retirement – but many horses are not so lucky

TRUTH:  This is an outright lie.  My records from the DoH – show that there was a turnover

"beloved horse/child" parked over a steaming manhole cover

of 529 horses in a 7 ½ year period – about 70 horses or 1/3 yearly.   I found a former carriage horse, now named Bobby II Freedom, at the New Holland auctions  in 2010.  He was from West Side Livery.  He was going to the kill pen the next day.    Most recently, activists have been looking for Ceasar – a horse sold (laundered) to an Amish farmer, Norman Martin,  by driver Frank Luo.  Ceasar was old and sick.  It  is assumed he went to Canada to be slaughtered. 

FILM:  Neeson calls it a “legal thriving business” 

TRUTH:  No one knows how much the business brings into the tax coffers of NYC  but my estimate is less then $200,000 for the entire industry.    The income figure of $16-19M, which the drivers happily accept was contrived by NYClass' Steve Nislick to compare it to an estimated income from the electric cars.  It is totally made up and not accurate.  This is a cash only business.  My source tells me a medallion brings in about $130,000 yearly and that the owners report a fraction of that on their taxes.  This tax information is not public knowledge and the drivers enjoy making a fool out of all of us. 

Thriving?  I don’t think so.  And if so, Mr. Neeson - prove it and show us the tax returns.  We have watched this business for years.  There are many times when the carriages  have no business – just stand there with their horses.  Someone should be looking into why they are fighting so hard to keep the status quo.  Is it because it is cash only – or are they laundering money for something illegal?  I have no proof, but it the shoe fits ...

FILM:  Steve Malone:  “at a low level, approximately 500 families are going to be affected.”

TRUTH:  Absurd!  Back when Malone was a bit more honest, he said between 130-150 people would be affected.  A recent list from the Department of Consumer Affairs of licensed owners shows only  220 licensed drivers.    At least three of them  should not have a license – one lives in Sicily; another has a carriage business in New Jersey and one lost his license a few years ago for bribing an investigator posing as an inspector.  There are probably others. 

A recent article in the Queens Chronicle claimed thousands of people would be affected.  This number keeps growing and is delusional.  Does this mean that the person who sells carrots and the farmer who grows them will be affected?  And the place that supplies seeds to the farmer? 

This is exaggeration and meant to persuade and guilt  the mayor into changing  his mind. 

I would like to remind everyone that this is an entitled and infantilized industry – from getting reduced stable rents from the City for Shamrock Stables (now closed)   to low fees for licenses and low insurance requirements - much lower than pedicabs; not enforcing the laws – generally coddling them.  They want their way - just like children.

But what about many others who lose their jobs and  have to look for another or in many cases recreate themselves. Are they stamping their feet and making lying videos? 

FILM:   Conor McHugh:  the campaign is “funded by real estate interests and backed by real estate interests. 

TRUTH:   It was the Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages – us  - who started this campaign  in 2006.  We have nothing to do with any real estate interests – never have and never will.  Our campaign is funded by donors from around the world -- not just NYC. 

And frankly, we do not care if real estate developers are interested in the stables.  That land

W. 37th Stable - worth more than $10,000,000

should be put to good use to benefit more people than just a handful as it does now.  The owners stand to make a lot of money by selling.  But they do not have to sell if they choose not to.  They could hold on to the property and rent it out.  No one is twisting their arm.  This is a bogus issue.  

This stable on W. 37th St. is in the path of the Hudson Yards Redevelopment project, which has been under way for years.  The owner/carriage driver  could get at least $10,000,000.  

 
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